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Webelos Meaning:
We'll Be Loyal Scouts

 Webelos Goal:
Prepare a Cub Scout to be a Boy Scout
 
 Webelos Rank Requirements

Arrow of Light Requirements

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Webelos is a 20 month program for 4th and 5th grade boys to prepare to join a Boy Scout troop while learning outdoors skills and participating in 20 different activity badges. A well-run group of Webelos is a gradual change from being an 'adult-run' den to being a 'boy-run' patrol ready to fit right into an adventurous scouting troop. This migration requires the parents and den leaders to give the scouts more and more control, decision-making power, and responsibility as they progress in skills, abilities, and maturity. A good program also provides the scouts with many opportunities to grow in the Webelos Virtues.

How to Join:

  1. Go to BeAScout.org
  2. Click the 'Cub Scouts' tab.
  3. Enter your zipcode and click the arrow button.
  4. Click on a Pack near you to see its contact info so you can call the Pack or your local Council about joining.
  5. Complete a BSA Youth Application and Health Record and give them to the Cubmaster of the Pack you choose.

Our Webelos den has been very exciting to watch as the boys change from being squirrely 3rd graders mostly intent on running around and playing to being a patrol that can recognize a goal, the requirements to fulfill the goal, and the ambition to accomplish the goal. The trail to the destination is as rewarding as the destination, but they learn to plan the work and work the plan and enjoy the process. Of course, we did not turn everything over to the boys at the First Webelos Meeting - we gradually give them more tasks to do, such as taking attendance, checking uniforms, leading flag ceremonies, making announcements, preparing snacks, planning Webelos activity badge outings, organizing campouts, and leading entire meetings.

We are having very good success running the Webelos program more adult-led up through January of the 4th grade, gradually passing responsibility to the scouts. By that time, each scout earns his Webelos rank badge so it is a good time to change from blue shirts to tan, receive the Webelos badge, and start morphing into a patrol.
It is also a good point to start promoting the fact that each scout is responsible for his own advancement and there will be few 'den-wide' completions of activity badges - each boy will complete on his own schedule. We concentrate on having more patrol games, contests, and skill-building rather than activities directly related to an activity badge at our den meetings - this causes each scout to perform more of the activity badge requirements on his own and then contact the den leader for sign off. Again, this is a gradual change over a few months and we still do activity badge projects and tasks at the meetings, but not all of them.

Webelos Program:
The Webelos program has two major milestones - the Webelos rank badge to be earned around February of 4th grade and the Arrow of Light to be earned around February of 5th grade. The final part of Webelos is bridging over into a Boy Scout troop selected individually by the scout.

Once the goals of Webelos are understood, the methods of the program make a lot of sense! There are a few major changes between Cub Scouts and Webelos scouts that are very important to the success of your program. Some adult leaders and parents find it difficult to adjust to these changes so a Parent Meeting to discuss expectations and changes from Cub Scouts is critical to your success. Use parents to plan and lead individual activity badges. The Webelos den leader will have more paperwork and tracking than the wolf or bear den leader.

 
Important differences from Cub Scouts to Webelos:

  1. Advancement Sign Off - each Webelos scout is supposed to take his handbook to the den leader or assistant den leader for sign off when a requirement is completed. This is a change from having a parent sign off every activity. This change prepares the scout to have a ScoutMaster sign off each advancement requirement in Boy Scouts. There is more responsibility put on the scout to remember and bring his handbook to meetings and get it signed.
    Tip: Help the scouts along until they get the routine. Have them bring their Webelos handbook to every meeting and reward them for bringing them until they get it. Have a list of activity badge requirements that you plan on completing at a meeting so you, your assistant, or a parent on your behalf can sign off those that are completed right away. This will help the scouts understand the importance of the handbook.
  2. Webelos Activity Badges - Bear and Wolf scouts earned red or yellow progress towards rank beads to string on a totem. Once enough were earned, they received the rank badge. Webelos moves closer to the Boy Scout merit badge system with a recognizable pin for each activity badge earned. Individual scouts may earn different badges at different times and there are only a couple badges that are mandatory to earn ranks. This change gives the scout more control over his advancement and lets him choose areas he enjoys more.
  3. Camping - Webelos dens should Camp! Cub Scouts can camp as a pack, but Webelos should go out as a den as much as possible to give the scouts opportunities to learn and use their Outdoorsman, Naturalist, Forester, and Readyman skills. Each Webelos scout needs to have an adult responsible for him on each camping trip. Campouts in the backyard with dinner and s'mores made on a gas grill can be a great way to ease your scouts into the world of camping. Taking your den to a district or council organized summer Webelos camp should be a required part of your program. Most councils have a one or two day overnight camp every summer for Webelos. A Packing List is helpful for a short campout.
    Tip: Be sure you follow Rules for Safe Scouting practices on your camping trips.
  4. Patrols - a patrol is just another name for the den but it does have some significance. Boy Scouts are organized into Patrols, each with their own name, flag, yell, leader, and emblem. As Webelos, a den can begin to operate as a patrol and select an emblem for their uniform, make up a yell, name, and flag. This can really get the scouts to become a team. Taking their flag along on a campout or hike and announcing themselves with their yell is pretty fun.
    Tip: A great time to start working as a patrol is when everyone in the den earns their Webelos rank. Have a den meeting with the goal of becoming a patrol - choosing a name, selecting an emblem, coming up with a yell, and designing a flag. You might also elect a patrol leader (a denner) to serve for the next month. Each month, a new patrol leader should be elected so each scout has the opportunity to practice his leadership skills. The den leader should spend some extra time with the patrol leader explaining how to run a meeting and giving him encouragement to lead his friends.




Webelos Den Leader:

A well-trained, organized, and caring Den Leader is critical to the success of a Webelos Den. The Webelos Den Leader takes on the responsibility of making advancement opportunities available to the scouts and then tracking their advancements. The leader also recruits other adults to plan and organize individual activity badge meetings and outings. One of the main roles of the Webelos den leader is to give each scout opportunities to lead and make decisions, both individually and for the den.

Every parent should be expected to lead two of the 20 Webelos activity badges. A den should be able to complete an activity badge each month. The first two or three activity badges should be led by the den leader or assistant den leader as examples to the other parents on what is expected. Having parents actively leading lets the scouts interact with other adults and lets
parents have a sense of ownership of the success of the group. An actively supportive parent is crucial for any scout hoping to attain the Eagle Scout rank since there will be many times when a parent is asked to help out with that boy's progress.

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Webelos Den Leader is a registered volunteer BSA position. Every Webelos Den is required to have a registered den leader whose responsibilities are:
  1. Work directly with other den and pack leaders to ensure that the den is an active and successful part of the pack.
  2. Plan, prepare for, and conduct den meetings with the assistant den leader and den chief.
  3. Attend pack leaders' meetings.
  4. Lead the den at pack meetings and activities.
  5. Ensure the transition of Webelos scouts to Boy Scouts.



More Webelos Scout Information to Use:
  Webelos Scout Activity Badges - Activities to earn the Webelos badge and Arrow of Light award
  Track Webelos Activity Pin Completions
  Webelos Activities - great den meeting ideas
  Webelos Scout Awards - see what awards are available to Webelos scouts
  Webelos Scout Ceremonies - a few ceremonies
  Webelos Scout Games - den or pack games just right for 4th and 5th graders
  Webelos Scout Graces - fun meal graces
  Webelos Scout Jokes - funny, gross, and silly jokes for scouts
  Webelos Scout Projects - community or conservation projects for your Webelos den
  Webelos Scout Recipes - tasty food recipes for fun snacks at campfires or on overnights
  Webelos Scout Skits - skits that Webelos Scouts like to do
  Webelos Scout Songs - songs for scouts
  Webelos Scout Stories - choose stories that Webelos scouts will enjoy and understand
  Webelos Scout Uniform - make sure you put all those badges and patches in the right spots
  Cub Scout Academics & Sports - extra recognition opportunities
  Webelos Scout Tests - online tests for Webelos Scouts to test their knowledge
  Webelos Scout Schedule - sample schedule of meetings and activities

Remember there is no such thing as a Webelo Scout. Whether there is one or a hundred, they are always called Webelos with the 's'.



Comments:
 Jul 28, 2012 - Jason Jester
This website and links are amazing.  I have been trying to put the year together and the tools you have here have been extrememly helpful.  Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!
Aug 31, 2012 - Gail Hannah
Thank you so much for this terrific website.  My grandson is a Webelos Scout this year and I'm looking forward to hearing him tell me all about the wonderful things that he will be involved with. Your website will be a great help to me.
Sep 07, 2012 - Lila
My son is in 4th grade and has never been in scouting.  Would he need to go through the younger scout programs or would he go straight into the Webelos  program?
Sep 07, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Lila - Cub Scouts is divided by age/grade levels.  A boy joins a den of his current level and does not go back to do previous rank work.  In your son's case, he would join a Webelos den, earn his Bobcat, and then go forward with Webelos activities along with his denmates.  He would not do any Bear, Wolf, or Tiger work.
Sep 14, 2012 - Lori
I'm trying to do a budget for 2013. Can anyone give me an estimate of the average price for Webelos awards? Thanks.
Sep 19, 2012 - Fern
I have recently volunteered to help our Cubmaster, Assitant Cubmaster and Den Leaders with awards and advancement.  In reading through some of the Webelos requirements, one is to earn their Religious Emblem of Faith.  If a Scout earned it as a Bear, is he required to earn it again as a Webelos?
I also want to thank you for putting this site together.  It is so very helpful.
Sep 19, 2012 - Laura
Lori, Activity badges cost about $2 per pin, plus any cards. The cost is roughly $50 for all the badges for two years.


Sep 19, 2012 - Laura
Fern, everything they are to earn as a Webelos they must earn during their time as a Webelos. This included Belt Loops & Pins, plus religious emblem. Religious emblems God and Me are for 1st-3rd grade. Webelos would be able to earn God and Family. So it is a different religious emblem.
Sep 28, 2012 - Carla
I'm looking for Webelos belt loops requirements.  Are they the same as cubscout belt loops?  I know they are a different size, but can't find them here.  Please assist and thanks for this website!  I've used it for the last year to help our pack.
Sep 29, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Carla - the "Academics and Sports Program" and its belt loops and pins are the same for ALL Cub Scouts, including Webelos.  There are no differently-sized belt loops for Webelos.
Oct 05, 2012 - Jennifer
Hi. Can campouts with your family count towards the overnight campout for the Webelows Arrow of Light requirement?  I've read that in Webelows and below, any activity can also be completed with your parent/family and used in place of where it says they are required to do it with the den.  Is this true?
Oct 05, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Jennifer - I'd love to see where you read that.  I believe it is incorrect.  If a requirement says to do something the den, then it is done with the den.
Oct 06, 2012 - Jennifer
When I went back to find it, it was listed under the belt loop requirements, and I pasted it below, but I assume it doesn't transfer over to all areas of scouting then, is that correct?  What if his den didn't do a camping trip or anything to complete the requirement while he was in there?  Is it then the leaders discretion to allow family camp outs to count?  Otherwise, his leaders are saying he can't earn his webelows because he turns 11 on Wednesday and he is part of an lds group, which requires webelows and arrow of light to be earned by 11.  Not very happy about that since it is out of his control.

Requirements

Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and Webelos Scouts may complete requirements in a family, den, pack, school, or community environment. Tiger Cubs must work with their parents or adult partners. Parents and partners do not earn loops or pins.
Oct 06, 2012 - Jennifer
I'm sorry, I meant that he wouldn't be able to earn his arrow of light, not webelows.  He will be able to earn the webelows for sure.  Can we impose the guidelines of the BSA in a case like this, which allows for 6 more months to earn the arrow of light or is it up to the individual charters?  Thank you for your help, btw.  This site is excellent.  
Oct 06, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Jennifer - If you are refering to requirement #5 of the Arrow of Light, it is a Webelos overnight campout OR day hike.  In 20 months, his Webelos den never went on a hike?  That seems a bit sad to me, personally.
Can you call his den leader and arrange for a hike tomorrow afternoon?  That would fulfill that requirement.

Regarding your other questions...
- That statement about belt loops does not apply to everything else in Scouting.
- If his den did not do activities to meet the requirements, then he did not meet the requirements.  I would assume that no other scout in his den gets the Arrow of Light either.
- It's always up to the adults to decide how much to bend, break, fold, spindle, and mutilate the requirements.  Unfortunately, that happens and the program (and benefits to the scouts) diminishes.
Oct 06, 2012 - Jennifer
They did do a day hike, yes.  But this requirement is also an elective for their Outdoorsman (#9) and this is what was throwing me because the hike was for this elective.  However, we realized we could count the hike for the Arrow of Light #5 instead since he has completed enough of the other necessary requirements for his Outdoorsman that we don't have to count that one (#9) as well.  Hope that makes sense. :)  Apparently, the 10 year olds are too young to go on an overnighter and since the LDS church moves them up to what they term the 11-year old scouts at 11, they couldn't do an overnighter at all, other than going and visiting a scout camp during the day, which they didn't do.  Anyway, thank you for your help!
Oct 09, 2012 - Karen
This is a great site, thanks for all the advice. I'm getting ready to have my first den meeting with my Webelos, and I picked up the "Choose to refuse" book from the scout office, and I think it's a bit over their heads. I found a pdf of the old one line. I know it came with a leader book, but I still think it's too mature for them. Any thoughts on how to proceed or should I just skip that element?
Thanks!
Nov 20, 2012 - sirena reyna
Hi I have a son that is a second year webelo and is working towards hos arrow of light. My son has a intellectual disability that hinders his reading and the way he retains info. His troop has done a lot to help modify things for him and keep him active in the group but with all that he requirements he needs to know he gets frustrated and embarrassed that he can't read or remember all of it. So is there anyway that it can be modified for him cause his pack leaders dont really know.
Nov 20, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Sirena - Yes, requirements can be altered.  See Advancement Flexibility.
The only 'memorizing' required for Arrow of Light is the Scout Oath and Law.  There is nothing in the requirements that would require any reading if someone else helped him verbally memorize those two things.  
Nov 20, 2012 - sirena
So my next question is about the law and the oath if he has to recite what each one means because he can't recall all of it and not in the order that they are in . So in the book in the space where its just the oath and the law if he can say those without giving all the meanings can he still get his arrow of light?
Nov 20, 2012 - Scouter Paul
Sirena - You know your son's limitations and I don't.  Did you read section 10.2.1.0 in that document I linked to?  Please read it and Cub Scout Advancement.
The Cub Scout motto - Do Your Best - is the standard used for advancement in Cub Scouts.
Nov 21, 2012 - Julie Heiland
Sirena,
Yes,requirements,even memorization of the law and oath, can be modified. I have four kids. My oldest has SPD and my seven year old has autism. I have a special needs den. You absolutely may modify. It's all about your son doing his BEST. Your pack/den should support you and your son in this. Any pack or den that does not fails to understand the point of scouting.
Nov 27, 2012 - sirena
Thank for that info. I work very hard to keep my son active in sports and scouts and various other things to keep him socialized and active and he enjoys them all. He may not always understand everything but he tries his best and does more than his pack and all his work is his own. He has two cousins that have received their eagle and that is our hope for him.
Thankyou for your help.
Dec 14, 2012 - scoutergriz
I have an unusaual problem; I'm a Scout Leader in Canada and I have a Webelos from the U.S. in my troop for about a year, He'll shortly be 11.  I'm trying to continue his progression in Boy Scouts in the U.S as well as here.
Do you know of any available resources for him to continue his  advancement, and will BSA accept me signing off his requirements?
I really want him to be able to step right in to his role as a Boy scout when he returns, as he is one of those rare keeners who can go far!
Dec 16, 2012 - Scouter Paul
scoutergriz - The best resource for him is his Webelos Handbook which contains most all the activity badge requirements and information to help fulfill them.  It also has places for him to track what he has completed.
If he is registered in a US pack, you should talk to his Den Leader about accepting your evaluations of his progress since it is at the Den Leader's descretion.
Jan 25, 2013 - Serina
Thank you for all the info.I have a question. My son is a Bear scout but has gotten held back at school,so he is in the 2nd grade.He is suppose to be a Webelo next year,but won't be in the 6th grade when his 2 years are up.Do you know if he will have to stay in cubscouts for a extra year?
Jan 26, 2013 - Scouter Paul
Serina - Check out the Boy Scout joining requirements in the BSA Youth Application.
There are three ways he can meet the joining requirements:
1. He has completed the fifth grade AND is at least 10 years old.
2. He has earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old.
3. He is age 11.

Feb 28, 2013 - Jim
Our Bear Den moves up in March. After that advancement, can we begin doing Webelos requirements? Or are we supposed to continue with Bear items and wait until possible new recruits are brought into the den in Sept/Oct?
Feb 28, 2013 - Scouter Paul
Jim - Your Bear den shouldn't "move up" in March.  Your Bear den should meet through the school year.  Scouts can earn Arrow Points after they've earned their Bear rank.

According to the BSA Youth Application (and around page 279 of the Bear Handbook), a boy can join a Webelos den after he completes third grade or reaches his 10th birthday.  If any of your scouts meet that requirement, they can join a Webelos den.
Apr 29, 2013 - Roxanne
I would like to know how soon I can start my son working to earn his belt loops/pins/badges for Weeblos?  He is advancing next month to Weeblos I.  I'm also a parent leader and would like to know if I can sign off on things/activities that he completes over the summer or do I need to have another leader sign off on them?
Apr 29, 2013 - Scouter Paul
Roxanne - Please see the reply immediately before your comment.

A Cub Scout may not work on advancement for Webelos while a Bear, just like he may not work on Bear requirements as a Wolf.  He may only work on the rank advancement requirements for his current den program.  After completing his rank requirements, and before joining the next year's den, he can complete arrow point requirements, belt loops, or other scouting awards and achievements until the next den year begins.
But, any belt loops required for Webelos rank advancement need to be completed "while a Webelos scout" not while a Bear.

Only Webelos den leaders may sign off on rank requirement completions.  In Tiger, Wolf, and Bear dens, 'akela' signs off and that may be the parent, but not in Webelos.

Jul 03, 2013 - Brian
From Oct 06, 2012 - @Jennifer - I understand this is late, but the LDS Church does a father/Son camp out that is an approved activity that allows for Webelos to get their overnight campout requirements passed off. They have two campouts a year that meets this requirement.
Oct 08, 2013 - Awards Chair
Is there a specific time or event when the new Webelos get their colors? I know when I was a Weeb we received our Neckerchief, hat and slide at the b&g dinner, then our Colors at our Pack Meeting as Weebs?

Or is it up to the Pack?
Oct 08, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Awards Chair - It is up to the Pack.  It would make sense to present it to the Webelos with their first activity pin, or before that, so they have some place to pin their pin.
Oct 10, 2013 - Happy Hitchhiker
My son was in scoutreach until this year when we moved.  he is a Webelos now and this is all very different then we are used to.  The den leader says that the boys can only earn the awards (activity badges) as a den and that parents are not allowed to help.  They are planning on earning 8 activity badges and the AOL so all the boys can move up together.  The badges they are working on are the required ones, aquanaut, sportsman, athlete, and showman.  If dens only work on things together then why offer so many different choices?  My son will not go swimming (4 years of lessons prove that) and he doesn't play any team sports.  Is there a rule against boys earning the activity badges they want in addition to the required ones?  If this is normal then why is Webelos an 18 month program?  My son just started 4th grade and has time to spare.
Oct 11, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Happy - The den leader is misinformed.  There are some requirements that state "with your Webelos den", but many of the requirements can be done individually.  And, parents SHOULD be there assisting their son in his Scouting experience.
Nov 04, 2013 - Jeff Mayes
@Happy - Traditionally the den works on things together so they are doing the same activity at a meeting or campout.  This is so a boy is not sitting out because he already did the activity.

With that said, you absolutely can work on any badge you want, at any point in time.  Most work on the ones required for the next rank first, then work on the others.

My son is on Webelos 1 (fourth grade)... his den first worked together on the Science pin.  Next my son earned his Outdoorsman on his own.  He earned it while on a invitational campout with the Boy Scouts.  He was the only boy in Webelos 1 to participate (all of our Webelos 2 went as well). He also earned his Leave No Trace at the same time.

While my son was on the camp out with the Boy Scouts, his den had a meeting were they worked on the Handyman pin.  Now they are all working on Citizenship together and he is working on Fitness and Handyman on his own.

Anyway... Scouter Paul is correct, the den leader is misinformed.
Nov 04, 2013 - Happy Hitchhiker
Thanks for the info but what do you do when the den leader doesn't acknowledge the achievements done at home?  My son has completed the requirements for 4 activity badges so far and when he shows the leader what he has done, they only say "good job" but do not sign the book or recognize it.  It is very frustrating for him.
Nov 04, 2013 - Arrggg
@Happy

Have you tried bringing this up at your pack's Committee Meeting? You could ask your Cubmaster who needs to signoff on the things completed at home.
Nov 25, 2013 - EVEN MORE FRUSTRATED
I know a boy --- a 5th grader - 10 year old, Webelos II who has been in scouting since Tiger, participated & had Compass Point Badge before camp & completed the AOL requirements. This boy is currently more involved with a Troop rather than his Pack due to the cub master's award/ceremony date changes and personal issues. The cub master, two months ago has awarded this boy 6 activity pins and also belt loops he's earned while attending camp.  This cub master has also stalled in presenting the child any type of patch, recognition, or award for AOL. Six months later, the boy wish not to return to the Pack.  Knowing this, the Pack's Advancement Coordinator wish to send or go to the child's home to give the AOL patch to him.  Do you say this boy is just as eligible to wear the AOL patch as proud as those who have celebrated the honor with friends and family?

The Troop Scout leader stated this scout will partake in the ceremony to Crossover in February at their Blue & Gold.
Nov 25, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@EMF - The relevant text in your post is: "completed the AOL requirements".
If the Webelos den leader has recorded that the scout completed the requirements then he can wear the patch.  A ceremony is just a time to recognize the scout - it's not a requirement.  
If the requirement completions have not been reported and recorded then that needs to happen firts.
Dec 04, 2013 - Teresa
How can you help a  new boy "bond" and build "teamwork" within a group that has been together for several years?  They pick the same people for flags, same patrol patch, meet at the same houses for camping, etc.  My son wants to be in scouts but he wants to feel included in a "new" group, not just a continuation of an old one.  Whenever someone joined his old pack everyone felt welcome and it was more fun.
Dec 04, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Teresa - Sounds to me like something you might discuss with your son's den leader.  It's possible no one else realizes there is a need to be more inclusive.
Also, the Denner position gives each scout opportunity to have a taste of being "in charge".
Dec 05, 2013 - Teresa
One more question....what are the benefits of having crossover in December rather than February?  My son is a first year WEBELOS and next December when they crossover he will only be starting 5th grade and just turning 10 a few months earlier.  It seems to me that he would be at a great disadvantage on size and development in his troop.  Why crossover in December?
Dec 05, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Teresa - I see no benefit of joining a troop in December.  As his parents, you can certainly have your son join a troop later in the spring if that makes more sense to you.
Regarding the "disadvantage" of size and development, this should be a non-issue.  Boy Scouts should not be a competition between scouts - your son progresses and advances at his own pace.  If bigger, older scouts are "winning" then that troop is doing things wrong.
Dec 08, 2013 - Beth Brown
My son is currently a bear. He is also the youngest in his grade and den. Every year so far he has been allowed to move forward with the last boy in his group, this keeps him with boys from his grade in school. I have just been told he can't move from bears to weblos until he turns 10. This will put him going with boys a year younger than him for almost 4 months. In the past he just had to have earned his wolf, bobcat in advance. Is this true that he can not advance? Please let me know. Thanks

Dec 08, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Beth - I'd recommend you read the BSA Youth Application which lists the joining requirements.  There is a link to it above, and it states:
Webelos Scout - "Must have completed third grade but not completed fifth grade, or be age 10 but not yet 11 1/2."
As long as your son meets those requirements, he can be a Webelos scout.
You should also check the requirements for Boy Scouts since that may be a concern when your son is in 5th grade.
Dec 09, 2013 - Beth Brown
Thanks for the help. I didn't even think about the boy scout transition.

Dec 19, 2013 - ann
my son is a webelos and he wants to earn the aquanaut activity badge. his den leader says that can only be done if he is present to witness all the requirements being accomplished. is this true or can we do this on our own like most of the other badges?
Dec 19, 2013 - Scouter Paul
@Ann - Since the den leader is the one signing off on the requirements, he needs to be sure the requirement was completed.
Does this den leader insist on being present whenever any other advancement effort is performed?  If he is consistent and that is how the den has been run, then it makes sense to have the same criteria for Aquatics.  But, if he allows activities to be done out of his sight and accepts the word of the scout after the fact for other advancement requirements, then it doesn't make sense that he change it up just for Aquatics.
Jan 08, 2014 - Brian
We have a group of Webelos II's crossing over to Boy Scouts in February.  We have seen the shadow boxes the past Webelos have completed.  Are there any set rules on requirements for the shadow box and any online guides as to their design and construction?
Jan 09, 2014 - David
I have two Webelos earning the Nova award.  Where is this patch placed on their uniform? I have been told that it is a permanent patch sewn above the right pocket. Is that correct?
Jan 09, 2014 - Yukon Jack
@ David.  You were told incorrectly.  The NOVA patch is sold with a loop and dangles from the pocket button over the right breast pocket.  It is NOT sewn above.  I guess it COULD be sewn below, but the loop is there to simplify wear for the cub.
Jan 10, 2014 - Ann
I would like to know if there is a Webelo Christmas ornament available.  I sent an ornament of a cub scout to my grandson and he let me know he was a Webelo, not a Cub Scout.  I would love to send him a Webelo ornament but I cannot find.  The ornament I sent had a Cub uniform, apparently!!!!!!!
Jan 13, 2014 - Scouter Paul
@Ann - I've not seen a Webelos ornament.
Jan 29, 2014 - Erma
While a Wolf cannot work on Bear and a Bear cannot work on Webelos, it is ok for a webelos scout to complete Bear while in the webelos den?
Jan 29, 2014 - Scouter Paul
@Erma - No, scouts only work on the activities in their program year.  Scouts do not go back and earn ranks from previous years.
Feb 17, 2014 - Angry Dad
My wife and I have always taught our children to be honest.  Up till this point we have loved being a scouting family but now I have to question everything we have done.  One of our sons is a WEBELOS this year but has not completed all the requirements to earn his rank yet.  The den leader knows this.  Most of the den are missing the required activity badges.  Our son knows he has not earned the badge yet and is okay with that.  You only receive what you EARN.  Today I got an email from the den leader saying that all the boys will be given their WEBELOS rank badge at Blue and Gold.  When I brought up the fact that it has not been EARNED he replied that it didn't matter, it was February and everyone earns their rank so they can start working on the next rank.  This is wrong on so many levels but is this seriously what we want to teach scouts now?  What can I do that does not cause a problem for my son?
Feb 17, 2014 - A Den Leader for Weblos
We just had our blue and gold and 3 out the the 5 scout eared their badge, I am also the advancement coordinator and if they do not do all the work I do not give the award.  I have not given a few for they were to bring a poster to the den and show it and we never saw it, so I took it off scout tracker. I do this for the whole pack. Are you webelo 1 or 2, and we do move up in June for Ranks not blue and gold.  Crossover is either Feb or March for some packs but then boys to Boys Scouts, if still 1 he has time to earn it.  Talk with Cubmaster or committee chair.
Feb 17, 2014 - Yukon Jack
@ Angry Dad. If you've had no luck explaining honor to the WDL, you won't. Go to the committee and report it...get your so out of that den if needs be. And for what it's worth, Webelos I and Webelos II and bad terms...there is only the Webelos den for 2 years...why can't they just keep working on it next year with activity badges that will also help with Arrow of Light rank (which not every scout should get...it's for the hardest workers only anyway...like Eagle).
Feb 24, 2014 - Angry Dad
Everyone received their WEBELOS rank regardless if they earned it or not.  It turns out that this pack gives everyone their ranks in February so they can start work on the next rank.  Funny, I always thought cub scouts was grade based and that you only started the next rank AFTER completing the previous grade in school. This brings up a new question: What about the boys that complete the 5th grade this year (in May) and are 10-11 years old?  Are they still eligible to be Cub Scouts?  This describes half my son's den and so they will be in 6th grade before crossing over to Boy Scouts in December.
Feb 24, 2014 - Scouter Paul
@Angry - It sure sounds like your Pack has someone making up their own program that doesn't follow the BSA Cub Scout program I know.  Scouts shouldn't automatically receive any rank.

You can look at the official BSA Youth application for answers to your grade/age questions.  It depends on when scouts register for the next program year in your Pack.
It states "Webelos - Must have completed third grade but not completed fifth grade, or be age 10 but not yet 11 1/2."
And, "Boy Scout - he has completed the fifth grade and is at least 10 years old, or is age 11, or has earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old."

Apr 04, 2014 - Terry
As a Webelos den leader, we have had a meeting with our local Boy Scout troop. There is another Boy Scout Troop nearby.  Last year I was advised by one of the trainers at  OWL training to take my Webelos to both troops because each scout has a right to choose which troop they will join. For several years, our Webelos crossover to the local Boy Scout troop only to leave. I watched this with my older son who was in a den of 16 Webelos and only 1 joined the troop. He later left. There have been over fifty Webelos II in our pack in the last few years and they only have 4 Boy Scouts in the troop? I have a den of 8 Webelos II. I have been with these scouts for four years, starting with Wolf den and would like to see them continue with Boy Scouts. Can you refer me to something in BSA written word that states we should visit other troops. I have the troop bugging me for crossover # and don't want to seem out of line.
Apr 04, 2014 - Scouter Paul
@Terry - Those are some sad statistics you've shared. :-(
First, to answer your question, there is only one troop meeting visit and one boy scout outdoor activity visit required of your den - and that is just for the Arrow of Light award.
Each individual scout family should choose which troop seems like the best fit for that scout.  If there are multiple troops from which to choose, it sure makes sense to me to check them all out.

It sure sounds like your Pack/Troop relationship is in dire need of help.  Losing virtually all your Webelos is not the way the program should work.  Both the Pack leadership and Troop leadership need to work together to transition Webelos to Boy Scouts.  See this BSA page - I wonder how much of that actually happens in your community.
Apr 07, 2014 - Rose
@Terry - That is a very common problem. For two years, the Webelos in my den have gone to two different troops, neither of which is the Troop affiliated with our pack.  The boys who are friends go to the one of the troops as a group.
Apr 09, 2014 - Jeff
@Terry -- I would visit both Troops.

We have one Pack in our town that feeds two troops.  We are lucky in that both Scoutmaters are excellent, but that is where the troops diverge.  Each troop has a completely different dynamic from the other.

In fact, we had two twins cross over last month, and they did not go to the same troop.  So even though they were twins, like the troops, they each had a different personality.

GO SEE BOTH!

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