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The highest award in Cub Scouts is earned by Webelos that have been active participants in their den and are ready to join a Boy Scout troop. Many of the requirements for the Arrow of Light are intended to familiarize the scout with a local troop and hopefully show him that crossing over into a troop is the next step to take in scouting. A scout that earns his Arrow of Light patch has also completed nearly all the requirements to earn the Scout badge in the troop so he has already begun his Boy Scout trail.
- Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge.
- Show your knowledge of the requirements to become a Boy Scout by doing all of these:
- Repeat from memory and explain in your own words the Scout Oath or Promise and the 12 points of the Scout Law. Tell how you have practiced them in your everyday life.
- Give and explain the Scout motto, slogan, sign, salute, and handshake.
- Understand the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Describe its parts and tell what each stands for.
- Tell how a Boy Scout uniform is different from a Webelos Scout uniform.
- Tie the joining knot (square knot)
Use this handy Memorization Wheel to learn and review the Scout Oath, Law, Motto, Slogan, and Outdoor Code. - Earn five more activity badges in addition to the three you already earned for the Webelos badge. These must include:
- Fitness (already earned for the Webelos badge)
- Citizen (already earned for the Webelos badge)
- One of your choice (already earned for the Webelos badge)
- Readyman
- Outdoorsman
- At least one from the Mental Skills Group
- At least one from the Technology Group
- One more of your choice
- With your Webelos den, visit at least
- one Boy Scout troop meeting, and
- one Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity. (If you have already done this when you earned your Outdoorsman activity badge, you may not use it to fulfill requirements for your Arrow of Light Award.)
- Participate in a Webelos overnight campout or day hike.
(If you have already done this when you earned your Outdoorsman activity badge, you may not use it to fulfill requirements for your Arrow of Light Award requirements.) - After you have completed all five of the above requirements, and after a talk with your Webelos den leader, arrange to visit, with your parent or guardian, a meeting of a Boy Scout troop you think you might like to join. Have a conference with the Scoutmaster.
- Complete the Honesty Character Connection.
- Know: Say the Cub Scout Promise to your family. Discuss these questions with them. What is a promise? What does it mean to keep your word? What does it mean to be trustworthy? What does honesty mean?
- Commit: Discuss these questions with your family. Why is a promise important? Why is it important for people to trust you when you give your word? When might it be difficult to be truthful? List examples.
- Practice: Discuss with a family member why it is important to be trustworthy and honest. How can you do your best to be honest even when it is difficult?
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Comments:
Sep 11, 2012 - Kristopher Cole
I have a scout how was active frotiger thru wolf yet due to health reasons could not continue with scouting until now, he will be 11 years old on 12/29/12 is there any way for him to earn his arrow of light before he crosses over?
Sep 11, 2012 - Scouter PaulKristopher - All he needs to do is complete the requirements on this page to earn his Arrow of Light. Are there some that he would not be able to do?
Earning the Webelos rank requires 3 months of being active in a Webelos den. The Arrow of Light requires 6 months of being active. It does not say that the 6 months need to come after the Webelos rank is earned, so 6 months total would put him at March, 2013 if he became active in a Webelos den right now.
Sep 24, 2012 - SaraEarning the Webelos rank requires 3 months of being active in a Webelos den. The Arrow of Light requires 6 months of being active. It does not say that the 6 months need to come after the Webelos rank is earned, so 6 months total would put him at March, 2013 if he became active in a Webelos den right now.
I have a son who would like to earn his arrow of light with the rest of his Webelos den and cross over with them in Febuary, but he just turned 10 in September and will not be 10 and a half until March. How strict are the age rules. Would he have to wait another month to join his friends?
Thanks Sara
Sep 26, 2012 - William TaylorThanks Sara
There is no reason that he can't earn the arrow of light nor bridge over with his friends, as to actively participating in Boy Scout Activities in that six month period, that is up to the leadership of both your Pack and the Troop he wants to bridge over to. In my experience a lot of latitude is given if it is in the best interest of the child involved. I suggest that you talk with your Cubmaster and the Scoutmaster involved, I believe that between the two they can probably get it done.
Good Luck and God Bless.
Sep 26, 2012 - Kenny MauermanGood Luck and God Bless.
I have a boy who just movined into my neighborhood. He is already 11. He keeps asking me if he can get his arrow of light. He and his partents tell me that the scouting program in his previous neighborhood was not very strong. Thats why he didn't get it. Can he earn his arrow of light as an 11 year old?
Sep 28, 2012 - Scouter PaulSara - If your son is in 5th grade, and has been participating in the Webelos den this school year, then he fulfills the 'age' portion of requirement #1. In order to join a Boy Scout troop, he needs to have earned the Arrow of Light so that should be no problem that I see.
Sep 28, 2012 - Scouter PaulKenny - He can if he is not yet 11 and a half, according to the official BSA Youth Application. He'll just need to do all the requirements listed on this page.
Oct 03, 2012 - CourtneyMy son is in 5th Grade and turned ten at the end of May. He is currently registered with the Webelos IIs. This is his first scouting experience and he wants to be able to earn his arrow of light badge. However, he will not have his six months in prior to February. Is he able to start with the Webelos Is instead of Webelos IIs so he can back up a year and have the time to do this? Or is there another way for him to complete the Arrow of Light and still crossover with the other 5th graders?
Oct 03, 2012 - Scouter PaulCourtney - A boy can be a Webelos if he has completed 3rd grade but not completed 5th grade, or be at least 10 but not yet 11.5 years old - so he could be part of the younger Webelos den if you want. But, next November he'd move on to Boy Scouts.
To become a Boy Scout, he either has to complete 5th grade, or turn 11 years old, or earn the Arrow of Light.
I think the simplest thing to do is have him do all the Arrow of Light requirements with his current den and then receive his Arrow of Light and join a troop as soon as his 6 months is complete. That would be mid-March if he just started in mid-Sept.
If his buddies cross over the end of Feb, that's just a couple weeks he's not really active with them. During that time, there's no reason he can't get his Scout Handbook and start learning knots and other skills for Tenderfoot. He might ask his Scoutmaster-to-be at his requirement #6 conference if there is anything he can do to get ready to join the troop.
Oct 04, 2012 - AndresTo become a Boy Scout, he either has to complete 5th grade, or turn 11 years old, or earn the Arrow of Light.
I think the simplest thing to do is have him do all the Arrow of Light requirements with his current den and then receive his Arrow of Light and join a troop as soon as his 6 months is complete. That would be mid-March if he just started in mid-Sept.
If his buddies cross over the end of Feb, that's just a couple weeks he's not really active with them. During that time, there's no reason he can't get his Scout Handbook and start learning knots and other skills for Tenderfoot. He might ask his Scoutmaster-to-be at his requirement #6 conference if there is anything he can do to get ready to join the troop.
Looking at the requirements here, I see that wehn I was 10 I almost completed most of them. But when I turned 11, I thought that my chances of getting the Arrow of Light were over. I didn't give up, I did complete the requirements anyway. so, since I didn't get it then, is there a way that I could still get it, many years later, since I did complete the requirements before 11 and a half??
Oct 05, 2012 - Scouter PaulAndres - The Arrow of Light is only awarded to youth, while they are Webelos scouts.
Oct 05, 2012 - BrandyMy son was a Tiger Cub last year. He is a Wolf this year and is in second grade. During the spring 2012 banquet, another Tiger Cub, who was completing 1st grade, received the Arrow of Light. This boy is the same age (7) and in the same grade (second), and is a wolf this year as my son. My son has his mind made up to work towards meeting the requirements for the Arrow of Light, but after reading the age requirements above, I question is it possible? Are there stipulations or waivers so younger boys can receive the Arrow of Light as I saw during my pack's 2012 banquet when the 7 year old, first grade, Tiger Cub received it?
Oct 05, 2012 - Scouter PaulBrandy - that was a big mistake on someone's part in your Pack. The Arrow of Light is ONLY for Webelos scouts. A Tiger is not eligible to receive it.
You could inform the Cubmaster and Advancement Chair about the requirements for the Arrow of Light, or ask them "what the hay?" and find out if you thought you saw something but it was actually something else. I'd love to hear what you find out if you follow up on it.
Oct 05, 2012 - BrandyYou could inform the Cubmaster and Advancement Chair about the requirements for the Arrow of Light, or ask them "what the hay?" and find out if you thought you saw something but it was actually something else. I'd love to hear what you find out if you follow up on it.
Thanks for your advice! I looked through the pictures of the 2012 spring banquet, and sure enough the 7 year old Tiger Cub is lighting the candle in the Arrow of Light ceremony, as he receives the honor. The boy's mother is a den leader and part of our local council, so I will follow up, and in the mean time, I will explain to my son that patience, hard work, and dedication will lead him to the Arrow of Light honor when he is a Webelo and the time is right. Thanks for your prompt reply!!!
Oct 09, 2012 - LisaHi - my son is trying to complete his requirements for arrow of light and with regards to #5, what are the details for completing the day hike? Does it have to be with the Troop or Pack or can he do it on his own? Is their minimum requirements that need to be done in which to complete the day hike - length of hike? how long the hike is? Any guidance that anyone could provide would be great as our Webelos overnight was used for the Outdoorsman badge. Thanks, Lisa
Oct 10, 2012 - Scouter PaulLisa - the requirement says to do a Webelos campout or hike. To me, that means the den goes hiking or camping. It doesn't need to be the entire den, but certainly the den leader and at least one other scout. A walk alone or with mom or dad doesn't seem to fulfill that requirement to me. There is no specific length of time or distance required, but walking around the block doesn't seem adequate to me.
The specifics of the hike is up to the den leader and den chief to set up.
Oct 17, 2012 - DeniseThe specifics of the hike is up to the den leader and den chief to set up.
Sara - If your son is in 5th grade he is eligible to become a Boy Scout December 1st of 5th grade regardless of his age. The way it is worded is confussing but as long as he is 10 and has earned his AOL he is eligible. Re read AOL requirement 1 that should help.
Oct 21, 2012 - Scouter PaulDenise - The official BSA Youth Application states, for joining Boy Scouts:
"Your son can be a Scout if he has completed the fifth grade and is at least 10 years old or is age 11 or has earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old, but has not reached age 18."
You are correct about being able to join if the boy is 10 and has earned his Arrow of Light, but there is no mention of a December 1st date or any other date.
Oct 22, 2012 - Seth"Your son can be a Scout if he has completed the fifth grade and is at least 10 years old or is age 11 or has earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old, but has not reached age 18."
You are correct about being able to join if the boy is 10 and has earned his Arrow of Light, but there is no mention of a December 1st date or any other date.
On number three, it says "two more of your choice". I looked in my book, and it says "one more of your choice". Please fix! :)
Oct 22, 2012 - Scouter PaulSeth - The requirement is to complete eight activity badges. I understand the current book printing says "one more..." but if you add all those up, it is only seven. A Webelos scout needs to complete two more activity badges of his choice in order to complete the requirement.
Nov 04, 2012 - Jan DamsteegtMy son is being told that in order to receive his arrow of light he needs to go on a Webelos overnight campout or day hike before February. Since it is already November (and the Boy Scouts had their November hike yesterday but we couldn't attend), that leaves December and January. However, my son participated in an overnight campout with Boy Scouts/Cub Scouts last Spring on the USS Silversides (a retired submarine - no bathroom facilities/heat etc. on board). I am thinking that this should fulfill that overnight campout requirement. What is your opinion?
Nov 04, 2012 - Scouter PaulJan - I believe you are asking about requirement #5. If your son's Webelos den went on that campout together, then it seems to me it should be counted. If he just went as a scout, then not.
I would think it would not take a whole lot of effort to ask his den leader to arrange a hike for the den sometime in the next two months. Having your son do that hike would fulfill the requirement.
Nov 05, 2012 - margeI would think it would not take a whole lot of effort to ask his den leader to arrange a hike for the den sometime in the next two months. Having your son do that hike would fulfill the requirement.
We have a scout in our den that has not can to one den meeting and does not plan on come to any.this is his 2nd year webelo can he still get his arrow of light.His mom says he does all his requirements at home.
Nov 05, 2012 - Scouter Paulmarge - requirements 1, 4, and 5 specifically say the Webelos scout does something with his den. Also, the Webelos den leader is the person that signs off advancement requirements as being complete - not the scout's parent.
As a den leader, I wouldn't be able to sign off on #1 if the scout came to no den meetings. I don't understand how the scout could possibly complete "all his requirements" at home since two of them specifically require activity away from home with the den.
Nov 06, 2012 - Stanley ChangAs a den leader, I wouldn't be able to sign off on #1 if the scout came to no den meetings. I don't understand how the scout could possibly complete "all his requirements" at home since two of them specifically require activity away from home with the den.
The requirement outdoor activity with Boy Scout. Can Scouting for Food with Pack and Troop count? Native American Workshop with the OA BoyScout, can that also count? The requirement does not say Overnight or Camping Trip with Boy Scouts. I know the Outdoorsman Pin say over night camping. I assume AOL requirement is not an over night since it does not say so. ???
To complete 4b - Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity. Can I set up a table outdoors and have a Boy Scout Patrol help the Webelos Den with Knot tying and lashing? Or a fire building competition? Does that count?
Nov 06, 2012 - Scouter PaulTo complete 4b - Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity. Can I set up a table outdoors and have a Boy Scout Patrol help the Webelos Den with Knot tying and lashing? Or a fire building competition? Does that count?
Stanley - Requirement #4 is for a "Boy Scout-oriented outdoor" activity. The purpose of these visits should be for the Webelos scout to look ahead with anticipation to his future as a Boy Scout and observe troops he might join.
The Webelos den leader could count either of the activities you mention, but if the Webelos scout is not learning anything about how Boy Scouts work, he's missing the benefit of the intent of the requirement. If I were the den leader, I would look for other ways for the Webelos to get to know the Boy Scouts - like a campout, hike, scout skills day, or some such activity.
It does NOT need to be an overnight activity.
For your knot table, I wouldn't do it - the Webelos should join into a Boy Scout activity, not have Boy Scouts come to a Webelos activity.
Nov 06, 2012 - Stanley ChangThe Webelos den leader could count either of the activities you mention, but if the Webelos scout is not learning anything about how Boy Scouts work, he's missing the benefit of the intent of the requirement. If I were the den leader, I would look for other ways for the Webelos to get to know the Boy Scouts - like a campout, hike, scout skills day, or some such activity.
It does NOT need to be an overnight activity.
For your knot table, I wouldn't do it - the Webelos should join into a Boy Scout activity, not have Boy Scouts come to a Webelos activity.
Got it, Thanks.
Nov 07, 2012 - RobbieActive in cub scouts for 6 months..we have a scout who has completed all requirements except the active for 6 months. He came to a 2 campouts as a second year Webelos, 1 pack meeting and did a Community service project.. Would he be considered as active?
Nov 07, 2012 - Scouter PaulRobbie - According to the Webelos handbook: Active means having good attendance, paying your den dues, and working on den projects.
"Good Attendance" is not defined as a percentage so the den leader needs to decide if he is active or not.
Nov 13, 2012 - Eddy"Good Attendance" is not defined as a percentage so the den leader needs to decide if he is active or not.
I'm Den Leader for Webelos II... my Boys are working on getting their arrow of light and cross over to Boy Scouts... We have completed most of the requirements listed above. Is this all? Once they have completed the requirements listed, will they be ready to cross over? Thanks. Eddy.
Nov 13, 2012 - Scouter PaulEddy - Yes, the requirements listed on this page really ARE the Arrow of Light requirements. The requirements to join a Boy Scout troop are on this page - most of which are included in the Arrow of Light requirements, but there is an age and application requirement to meet too.
Nov 14, 2012 - LRAs a Den Leader, I have 6 Web IIs that have met ALL of their requirements for AOL.
The Pack Committee recognized the achievement and the Co Advancement Chair submitted the advancement to Area Council via electronic advancement. The boys records reflected AOL received.
A week later the Charter Representative had the award retroactively purged from their Council record because he insists they wait till Blue and Gold to receive it.
I consider being forced to wait until Blue and Gold to be an additional requirement which cannot be enforced based on the "Policy on Unauthorized Changes to the Advancement Program". However, Area Council is backing the Charter Rep and will not reinstate the award.
What are my options and how can I proceed? The parents are livid and the Scouts wish to acquire AOL ASAP but it is being thwarted. National?
Nov 14, 2012 - Scouter PaulThe Pack Committee recognized the achievement and the Co Advancement Chair submitted the advancement to Area Council via electronic advancement. The boys records reflected AOL received.
A week later the Charter Representative had the award retroactively purged from their Council record because he insists they wait till Blue and Gold to receive it.
I consider being forced to wait until Blue and Gold to be an additional requirement which cannot be enforced based on the "Policy on Unauthorized Changes to the Advancement Program". However, Area Council is backing the Charter Rep and will not reinstate the award.
What are my options and how can I proceed? The parents are livid and the Scouts wish to acquire AOL ASAP but it is being thwarted. National?
LR - Contacting the national council is not appropriate.
Your pack has some real issues if you have a Chartered Organization Representative countering advancement of scouts - that's not his role. See COR Role.
A face-to-face talk between your COR, Committee Chair, Advancement Chair, and Cubmaster is needed to sort out who does what. I would talk with the CC, AC, and Cubmaster before that to ensure they see things the same as me and want things to change. Parents could also let them know their views on the topic.
If the pack leaders have no issue with waiting, then you could recognize the AoL recipients at a den ceremony now and let them know their patch will be presented later so the entire Pack can congratulate them.
Whatever you do, don't poison the scouts - keep it positive for them.
Nov 19, 2012 - Gavin MeeksYour pack has some real issues if you have a Chartered Organization Representative countering advancement of scouts - that's not his role. See COR Role.
A face-to-face talk between your COR, Committee Chair, Advancement Chair, and Cubmaster is needed to sort out who does what. I would talk with the CC, AC, and Cubmaster before that to ensure they see things the same as me and want things to change. Parents could also let them know their views on the topic.
If the pack leaders have no issue with waiting, then you could recognize the AoL recipients at a den ceremony now and let them know their patch will be presented later so the entire Pack can congratulate them.
Whatever you do, don't poison the scouts - keep it positive for them.
My son is almost done with his Web II and is about to crossover in February. He started scouts at Bear level. He has his Bobcat, Bear, Web I and is currently a Web II. Does he need to complete Tiger and Wolf also in order to earn the Arrow of Light. Our Pack is saying he does.
Thanks!
Nov 19, 2012 - Scouter PaulThanks!
Gavin - There is no "Web I" or "Web II" in scouting. A boy is in a Webelos den for usually about 18 months. He earns his Webelos rank and then his Arrow of Light rank.
This has nothing to do with earlier ranks. Whoever is telling you that has no idea what they're talking about. And, you can just read the beginning of your son's Webelos Handbook to see all the requirements.
Nov 21, 2012 - uncertain den leaderThis has nothing to do with earlier ranks. Whoever is telling you that has no idea what they're talking about. And, you can just read the beginning of your son's Webelos Handbook to see all the requirements.
I am a Webelos Den Leader... I have offered five of the requirements for 5 - 12 of the Outdoorsman badge - LNT, 3-mile hike, etc. Only two scouts have attended all events. Outdoor conservation project has been offered twice, same situation. Should I keep trying to offer events to help everyone catch up, or have them work on the requirements at home? That seems to be a problem though, since many of the requirements say to do as a den. We have a small den, only 4 boys, and we wanted to crossover in December. Thanks!
Nov 21, 2012 - Scouter Pauluncertain - As a den leader, I found that communication and setting expectations up front helps with Cub Scout families. When scheduling, I've given families a 6-month calendar of dates for den activities that fits my personal schedule. I ask them to choose the dates that work for them. Scheduling months in advance really helps.
In a den of only 4 scouts, it should be easy to find dates that work for everyone. If not, then maybe Scouting is too low on their priority list to earn the Arrow of Light.
If the Webelos and their parents are given a plan of upcoming den events and they know which ones are required in order to earn some specific recognition, then it's up to them to attend or not.
You'll probably be contacted by some parent wanting another hike, project, or [whatever] for his/her son. You can certainly schedule another one, but it does take some commitment and effort on the scout's side to actually earn awards such as the Arrow of Light.
Nov 26, 2012 - Den3 JenIn a den of only 4 scouts, it should be easy to find dates that work for everyone. If not, then maybe Scouting is too low on their priority list to earn the Arrow of Light.
If the Webelos and their parents are given a plan of upcoming den events and they know which ones are required in order to earn some specific recognition, then it's up to them to attend or not.
You'll probably be contacted by some parent wanting another hike, project, or [whatever] for his/her son. You can certainly schedule another one, but it does take some commitment and effort on the scout's side to actually earn awards such as the Arrow of Light.
Hi -- what counts as a "Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity?" Three of my Web II boys will have everything for AoL except that by Dec., and are intending to attend a four-day troop activity (with overnights, but in heated cabins and iiuc indoor cooking/eating), which will presumably involve some outdoor activity (hike?). Asst Troopmaster isn't sure that event will count because of the eating/sleeping indoors. I'm not finding info on what qualifies anywhere online. Can you advise? Thanks!
Nov 27, 2012 - Scouter PaulJen - Requirement #4 is for a "Boy Scout-oriented outdoor" activity. The purpose of these visits should be for the Webelos scout to look ahead with anticipation to his future as a Boy Scout and observe troops he might join. If the Webelos scout is learning about how Boy Scouts work together in the outdoors, that fulfills the intent of the requirement.
Just exactly what the Webelos den leader counts is up to him/her but if your three Webelos are doing activities outside with the Boy Scouts, it sounds good to me.
Nov 27, 2012 - CandiceJust exactly what the Webelos den leader counts is up to him/her but if your three Webelos are doing activities outside with the Boy Scouts, it sounds good to me.
Hello, I am a Webelo II leader and I had 2 scouts join this year as fifth graders. They have attended all/most of the outing we have had this school year, but have done little to catch up to the core group of boys I have had since 1st grade who have all completed their requirements for AOL. Even though I have given them leads and encouraged them. My question is: at the Blue and Gold, how are these scouts to be recognized? Should they receive the "gifts" the other boys receive at the ceremony?
Nov 27, 2012 - Scouter PaulCandice - That's really up to you and the Pack leaders since these "gifts" are a tradition of your Pack. If the recognition is for completing the Arrow of Light requirements then only those scouts that complete them should be recognized. I expect these aren't the first Webelos to not earn the AOL in your Pack.
I also expect you've offered opportunities this school year to complete all the requirements except activity badges that were earned last year. If the new scouts and their parents decide to not put in the extra effort to do those on their own, that's fine. Everyone doesn't have to earn the AOL and they can still move on to Boy Scouts which is really the goal of Webelos.
Nov 29, 2012 - JenniI also expect you've offered opportunities this school year to complete all the requirements except activity badges that were earned last year. If the new scouts and their parents decide to not put in the extra effort to do those on their own, that's fine. Everyone doesn't have to earn the AOL and they can still move on to Boy Scouts which is really the goal of Webelos.
I have a father who has a son active in the local boy scout troop that meets on the same night as our pack meets. His younger son is in the 4th grade and the father is asking me what he can do to push him through to get his AOL by the end of his 4th grade year for convenience. Unless his birthday is in November, I can't see a way for that to happen. Am I wrong? Also, does he have to complete the 4th grade first or just have turned 10?
Nov 29, 2012 - Scouter PaulJenni - You are correct. Arrow of Light requirement is that the scout is at least 10 years and 6 months old, OR completed 4th grade plus 6 months.
Dec 11, 2012 - OutsideOur Webelos are getting ready to cross over in February and the Den Leader just went over a list of who needs what. One boy went to the Boy Scout sleepover but slept in a cabin, not a tent and the den leader said it didn't count for #5? Another boy did not go to the Troop meeting but Venture scouts came to a den meeting he is counting that as #4? We never had a "den" hike or campout - the Den leader is counting the various pack hikes & sleepovers since June 2011 to make sure all have met #5. My son was looking forward to doing "Webelo only" activities, based on reading the handbook and feels let down, he doesn't feel he "earned" AOL - is he being too hard on himself or is his den leader cutting corners? I want him to feel good about recieving the AOL.
Dec 12, 2012 - Scouter PaulOutside - Your son's den leader is not fulfilling the promise of the Webelos program, and that's a disservice to the scouts in his charge.
I would not count camping with a troop as a "Webelos overnight campout or day hike". I would not count the Venture visit as a visit to a Boy Scout troop. But, as a den leader, I would have made sure to offer opportunities to the Webelos to properly fulfill the AoL requirements.
There's still two months in which you could discuss this with the den leader and arrange opportunities to actually do the requirements. Have the den visit a troop meeting, ask the Scoutmaster or Sr. Patrol Leader what outdoor activities the Webelos could attend, and schedule a day hike for the den - there's not much to it, really. If the troop has no outdoor activities planned, ask if they'll put on a hike so the Webelos can see how they operate - after all, that's the reason for the troop visits.
Jan 29, 2013 - Den Leader KayI would not count camping with a troop as a "Webelos overnight campout or day hike". I would not count the Venture visit as a visit to a Boy Scout troop. But, as a den leader, I would have made sure to offer opportunities to the Webelos to properly fulfill the AoL requirements.
There's still two months in which you could discuss this with the den leader and arrange opportunities to actually do the requirements. Have the den visit a troop meeting, ask the Scoutmaster or Sr. Patrol Leader what outdoor activities the Webelos could attend, and schedule a day hike for the den - there's not much to it, really. If the troop has no outdoor activities planned, ask if they'll put on a hike so the Webelos can see how they operate - after all, that's the reason for the troop visits.
If a scout has completed all requirements of AOL, can he still work on WEBELO pins? What if the AOL paperwork was completed and turned in? This scout wants to wait until he completes pin #20 before joining a troop. Another parent has questioned this, stating that AOL is the final Cub scout award, and he is now a Boy Scout. This Cub scout is 10 1/2, and still in 5th grade. Please let me know where to fing the answer in BSA policy. Parent's are anxious to know. Thanks
Jan 29, 2013 - Scouter PaulKay - A Webelos scout can work on the Webelos activity badges as long as he is in a Webelos den. In my Webelos Leader Guide (page 9), it says a Webelos can remain in the pack for six months after his 11th birthday.
If a Webelos could earn no more activity badges after earning his AoL, then no one would ever earn the Compass Points Emblem or the points that go on it. And, no one would ever earn all 20 activity badges.
Jan 30, 2013 - ROBIf a Webelos could earn no more activity badges after earning his AoL, then no one would ever earn the Compass Points Emblem or the points that go on it. And, no one would ever earn all 20 activity badges.
Is there any way a boy who has bridged from weblos to Scouts without having been able to get his arrow of light get it now? He turned 11 years old in Dec 2012. Is arrow of light mandatory to become an eagle scout?
Jan 30, 2013 - Scouter PaulRob - That scout can not go back and earn his Arrow of Light. It must be earned while registered as a Webelos.
Arrow of Light is NOT a requirement to earning the Eagle Scout rank. A boy could decide to join Boy Scouts for the first time when he's 13 or 14 and earn his Eagle rank.
Feb 12, 2013 - ChristyArrow of Light is NOT a requirement to earning the Eagle Scout rank. A boy could decide to join Boy Scouts for the first time when he's 13 or 14 and earn his Eagle rank.
I'm looking to purchase a small gift to give each of the Webelos II's when they cross over into Boy Scouts next month. (7 of the 9 have earned their AOL and have been with our Pack since Tigers.) Can anyone suggest a small $10-15 gift for the scouts? Thanks.
Also, I have been looking for a wooden "scout" clock for our Pack leader as he is moving up to Boy Scouts. Has anyone seen one for sale? My Google search is not bringing anything up even though a friend said she saw one.
Feb 13, 2013 - Scouter PaulAlso, I have been looking for a wooden "scout" clock for our Pack leader as he is moving up to Boy Scouts. Has anyone seen one for sale? My Google search is not bringing anything up even though a friend said she saw one.
Christy - I'd ask the Scoutmaster of the troop they are joining to find out if there is any particular bit of gear that all new scouts should have - maybe a compass, knife, handbook cover, flashlight.
Never heard of a wooden clock, sorry.
Feb 21, 2013 - candiNever heard of a wooden clock, sorry.
My sons first year weblos everyone quit, but second year weblos let my son earn requirements and in 8 months got his arrow of light now they are saying he cant join boyscouts till he finish 5 th grade ,but t if hes 10 why cant he
Feb 21, 2013 - Scouter PaulCandi - Please read see the age requirements in the BSA Youth Application. There's a link to it on the Scout page and if your son meets the requirements, he can join. Take the requirements to the Scoutmaster and ask him/her why your son can't join.
Feb 25, 2013 - AshleyIf a boy is choosing not to cross over to Boy Scouts - can he still earn his arrow of light if he has completed the rest of the requirements?
Feb 26, 2013 - Scouter PaulAshley - Absolutely! Joining a Boy Scout troop is not one of the Arrow of Light requirements, so he hasn't completed 'the rest' of the requirements - he's completed ALL the requirements.
Feb 26, 2013 - scottMy 11 yr old son is crossing the bridge next month and I just ordered the arrow of light award for all 8 scouts crossing with him. Is there another appropriate scouting gift I can give my son to honor his hard work and dedication? He is determined to become an Eagle at age 15 so I was thinking maybe there is something he may need to achieve his goal that I could present him? Any input would be appreciated!
Feb 28, 2013 - JanHi! When my grandaughter had a big dance recital, I got a bouquet of flowers to give her. Next Sunday, my grandson crosses over from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts. What small token gift could I get (on a very limited budget) for him to give to him at the banquet. I've asked around and a lot of people are suggesting a pocket knife or Leatherman, but he has so many knives now. Any suggestions?
Mar 01, 2013 - TiffanyHow do you paint the arrow of light? My son joined as a webelos. Do i just start with the webelos badge and go on from there with the awards on the arrow?
Mar 01, 2013 - Scouter PaulJan and Scott - There are lots of gift ideas on ScoutStuff.org - keychains, knives, ornaments, wallets, and tons more.
But, two things that would be VERY USEFUL for a new Boy Scout are a sturdy, simple compass and a Scout Handbook cover.
Mar 01, 2013 - Scouter PaulBut, two things that would be VERY USEFUL for a new Boy Scout are a sturdy, simple compass and a Scout Handbook cover.
Tiffany - There are many different plans for Arrow of Light plaques and memory arrows and othe recognition. There is no 'official' way to paint, design, or decorate any of them. If you google search, you'll find lots of suggestions.
Mar 03, 2013 - BenI have 19 Webelos 1's in my den, more than half have earned the "Arrow of Light" but don't bridge to Boy Scouts until next Feb. Can they be awarded the "Arrow of Light" now or do they have to wait until the Arrow of Light and Bridgeover Ceremony that we normally do once a year?
Mar 03, 2013 - ReneeOur pack does things differently than all other packs in town. There is a district crossover on Tuesday night. Our pack leaders say if our boys attend that ceremony they can no longer attend Webelos and complete the final AOL step, even though the district crossover team says differently. It seems like our pack leadership is bullying the boys into participating in their private ceremony and missing out on the district one. Can they really not do both? We are told it is against the rules.
Mar 03, 2013 - Scouter PaulBen - If the scouts have fulfilled the requirements, they should receive their recognition as soon as possible. The Arrow of Light award is usually presented at a Pack meeting. It would be a shame to wait a year for recognition.
Mar 03, 2013 - Scouter PaulRenee - That is silly. It's just a ceremony to recognize the scouts' achievement. They could attend a recognition ceremony put on by their pack, their district, their church, their family, their class at school, ... as many as are offered. There are no BSA rules preventing multiple ceremonies, and if your Pack made up some rule, that's ridiculous.
Your unit commissioner could help sort this out - or your district advancement chair.
Mar 05, 2013 - AaronYour unit commissioner could help sort this out - or your district advancement chair.
We have a weblow getting the arrow of light. He might take next year off from scouting. Is their any reason not to perform the bridge ceremony?
Mar 06, 2013 - Scouter PaulAaron - There are often TWO ceremonies for scouts finishing their Webelos years. Unfortunately, the are often rolled into one ceremony.
First, there is the recognition for earning the Arrow of Light. Any Webelos that completed the AoL requirements gets recognized.
Second, there is the crossing over from Cub Scouts to a Boy Scout troop. It is not 'graduating' from Cub Scouts. It is 'Joining' a troop.
The boy that is not joining a troop should not participate in the crossing over ceremony.
Mar 11, 2013 - Web. I leaderFirst, there is the recognition for earning the Arrow of Light. Any Webelos that completed the AoL requirements gets recognized.
Second, there is the crossing over from Cub Scouts to a Boy Scout troop. It is not 'graduating' from Cub Scouts. It is 'Joining' a troop.
The boy that is not joining a troop should not participate in the crossing over ceremony.
I'd like some clarification on AoL requirements. "Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge."
Does this mean 6 months past earning the Webelos Badge, or is a boy who is in 4th grade, 10 1/2, 1 month past earning his Webelos badge eligible for AoL?
Mar 13, 2013 - Scouter PaulDoes this mean 6 months past earning the Webelos Badge, or is a boy who is in 4th grade, 10 1/2, 1 month past earning his Webelos badge eligible for AoL?
Web - It means the Webelos needs to be active in his den for at least six months since completing fourth grade.
In addition to being active for those six months, he also needs to earn his Webelos badge. The requirement for the Webelos badge which says to be active for three months is NOT in addition to the six months for the AoL. It is six months TOTAL for the AoL, not nine months.
Mar 14, 2013 - WendyIn addition to being active for those six months, he also needs to earn his Webelos badge. The requirement for the Webelos badge which says to be active for three months is NOT in addition to the six months for the AoL. It is six months TOTAL for the AoL, not nine months.
Hi, our pack leadership as we all as our district advancement coordinator are saying that an overnight camp out is required in order to receive the AOL/Outdoorsman. The language in the book says a Webelo day hike or camp out. hey are saying that the spirit and intent of the awards is that the boys have a camping experience. they said this is an important part of scouting and that at the Boy Scout level they have to do a lot of camping for various merit badges. Don't see where what takes place it the Boy Scout level has anything to do with the requirements of the AOL/Outdoorsman at the Cub level. They've also gone on to say that if we feel they have "done their best" to earn the awards, then they should be given, even if they did not do the camping but instead chose the Webelo day hike. he language says either or. Can these leadership people interpret this language and require overnight camping to earn these awards because in their opinion camping is in the "spirit" and "intent"
Mar 14, 2013 - Scouter PaulWendy - Simple answer is NO.
Longer answer is NO WAY AT ALL.
There is absolutely no requirement at all that a Cub Scout go camping. Boys may not be ready to camp this young. They may need to be introduced to the outdoors more gradually, and that is why there is the "or day hike" option for the AoL requirements.
You can tell these folks that a scout can become an Eagle Scout by camping as little as 20 nights TOTAL. And, it's possible to be an Eagle Scout with having never started a fire.
But, it sounds like they are not stopping a scout from receiving the award when he completes the requirements, so it's all good. I guess.
Mar 14, 2013 - Papio TomLonger answer is NO WAY AT ALL.
There is absolutely no requirement at all that a Cub Scout go camping. Boys may not be ready to camp this young. They may need to be introduced to the outdoors more gradually, and that is why there is the "or day hike" option for the AoL requirements.
You can tell these folks that a scout can become an Eagle Scout by camping as little as 20 nights TOTAL. And, it's possible to be an Eagle Scout with having never started a fire.
But, it sounds like they are not stopping a scout from receiving the award when he completes the requirements, so it's all good. I guess.
Wendy-Just a voice from a gallery WDL... You've said AOL/Outdoorsman twice, so I'm not sure if you're interpreting these as separate things. The day hike fulfills the AOL requirement if it's NOT the same event used for the Outdoorsman. (You can use it for a bunch of other stuff, too.) But the AOL also (and separately) requires the Outdoorsman, which it seems to me would be really easy to get with an overnight campout, but really hard to get without one.
I don't know the logistics of your situation, but I'd suggest coordinating with your local Boy Scout troop. They have to go camping, and if your Webes can tag along, the Outdoorsman is a piece of cake.
If your Webelos already have/has the Outdoorsman, then a day hike is all that's necessary for the AOL.
Mar 14, 2013 - Papio TomI don't know the logistics of your situation, but I'd suggest coordinating with your local Boy Scout troop. They have to go camping, and if your Webes can tag along, the Outdoorsman is a piece of cake.
If your Webelos already have/has the Outdoorsman, then a day hike is all that's necessary for the AOL.
Wendy-LOL Scouter Paul just answered what I was next going to say. If your question is not about the nuts-n-bolts, but rather, does the Pack leadership have the right to absolutely REQUIRE an overnight-- no. You have to convince your Advancement person, but if the Den Leader and the Parents both agree that a boy has done his best to achieve a requirement, then it's done. I believe "spirit" and "intent" are terms that should be applied to the boy, not to the requirements.
Mar 25, 2013 - PhilI am a Webelos II leader. I have a boy that completed Webelos I and earned his Webelos badge. We started out Webelos II year and he only showed for Sept and Oct. He never showed again. He did not recharter. In the middle of March mom calls to ask if he can finish. Now our Arrow of light is ceremony in in the middle of April. He has done the overnights and meet with a Boy scout troop, but it still shy 2 Activity pins. If he finishes the 2 activity pins and recharters, should he be allowed to earn his Arrow of Light.
Mar 25, 2013 - Yukon Jack@ Phil. Interesting question. The fact that your unit successfully rechartered and the boy did not is the key. He cannot 'recharter' now (an individual does not recharter, a unit does, an individual registers) he can only register as a 'new scout'. Everything he did prior to January 1, 2013 (I'm assuming this is your recharter date, when he officially ceased to be a scout) counts, but nothing after. Ergo, he can still finish his AoL assuming that all the requirements you listed that he has completed he did so prior to the above date. If after the date, he must re-do them after he registers and while he does those 2 activity badges he is still missing.
Mar 25, 2013 - Phil@ Yukon Jack. Thank you for your response. Sorry for the Recharter/Register mix up. So let me get this straight. Everything he did prior to our Units recharter date counts. Everything after he registers will count but nothing inbetween those two will count.
Mar 25, 2013 - Yukon Jack@ Phil. Bingo. Basically, from Jan 1, 2013 to whenever he registers, he was not a scout, so nothing then counts. Its quite simple and fair once you slog through all the regulations and policy.
Apr 22, 2013 - MicheleMy son who is 11yrs old and is very active in Weblos2 is invited to a campout with the boyscouts this Friday 4/27/13
My question is:Is this really nessecary for him to do this?
He does not sleep good on the ground. He also has a soccer game the next day on Sat.
Thanks
Sincerely
Mrs. Michele
Apr 22, 2013 - Scouter PaulMy question is:Is this really nessecary for him to do this?
He does not sleep good on the ground. He also has a soccer game the next day on Sat.
Thanks
Sincerely
Mrs. Michele
Michele - No, it's not necessary for your son to go camping. Scouting should be fun and something he wants to do, not something he has to do.
If you are asking if it is required to earn his Arrow of Light, then that's different. He needs to do one outdoor Boy Scout activity *with his den*, not just by himself.
Just sending your Webelos scout off with a Boy Scout troop to camp is not appropriate Scouting. From the Scouting.org site - "Joint Webelos den/troop campouts including the parents of the Webelos Scouts are encouraged to strengthen ties between the pack and troop. Den leaders, pack leaders, and parents are expected to accompany the boys on approved trips."
May 16, 2013 - kevinIf you are asking if it is required to earn his Arrow of Light, then that's different. He needs to do one outdoor Boy Scout activity *with his den*, not just by himself.
Just sending your Webelos scout off with a Boy Scout troop to camp is not appropriate Scouting. From the Scouting.org site - "Joint Webelos den/troop campouts including the parents of the Webelos Scouts are encouraged to strengthen ties between the pack and troop. Den leaders, pack leaders, and parents are expected to accompany the boys on approved trips."
As a pack, we have found that a large percentage of the Scouts who earn there AOL in February and then immediately join Boy Scouts seem to be quitting Boy Scouts fairly quickly. We think that it may be immaturity. Can the AOL be done in June instead of Feb? Then the boys can join Boy scouts in September when they are a little more mature.
Thanks
May 17, 2013 - StanThanks
My son has been done with the AOL since January. We have been waiting on the pack and two other boys to finish up so they could all go on a hike with the local troop at the same time. On the day of the hike my son had a bad fever over 102. The cross over is coming up next week and the scout troop will not be doing anything again until after the crossover. Can my son still get his AOL? He has earned it and is being held back because the pack leadership is a joke. They keep changing thing and make excuses on when and why he can or can't cross over.
May 17, 2013 - Scouter PaulStan - If your son actually HAS completed all the requirements, then of course he can get the award.
It sounds like your son has ALMOST earned the AOL because he still has at least two more requirements to complete, that being #4 doing a Boy Scout activity and #6 which isn't done until after #1 thru #5. If that's the case, then he needs to complete all the requirements to earn the award.
The 'cross over' is a ceremony. It has no meaning in regards to your son's BSA membership. Your son is a member of the Pack until his membership expires, he becomes too old, or he transfers to a troop. It shouldn't be too difficult to have your son talk with the troop's Scoutmaster and ask if he could go on a hike with some of the scouts. After all, he already did have a conference with the Scoutmaster so he should know him.
May 17, 2013 - StanIt sounds like your son has ALMOST earned the AOL because he still has at least two more requirements to complete, that being #4 doing a Boy Scout activity and #6 which isn't done until after #1 thru #5. If that's the case, then he needs to complete all the requirements to earn the award.
The 'cross over' is a ceremony. It has no meaning in regards to your son's BSA membership. Your son is a member of the Pack until his membership expires, he becomes too old, or he transfers to a troop. It shouldn't be too difficult to have your son talk with the troop's Scoutmaster and ask if he could go on a hike with some of the scouts. After all, he already did have a conference with the Scoutmaster so he should know him.
Thanks for answering my questions. You just helped me out a lot. I over looked one event that he did with the troop. while working on his AOL. Thank you very much! No one with the council will return my calls. Again thank you!!
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